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So Strut Bars DO anything?
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On an xB2, do engine bay/upper front strut bars actually DO anything?
I ask because the "towers"/top strut housings look pretty integrated into the chassis and it isn't all that far in front of the firewall. I don't see how there can be that much flex right there in this vehicle.
I know that the look is popular, common, and generally they are expected in a "tricked out" car. But, I am interested in the actual handling change they provide or any other non-looks benefit of them in an xB2.
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July 15, 2008, 08:43:13 PM »
The short answer is yes.
Now do you need one on a stock car. Probably not. Do you need one if you run larger wheels. Yes. The larger you go the more important it is.
Do you need them if you plan to race, or driving very tight turns on a regular basis, absolutly.
Something you need to keep in mind. Yes everything is tied into the body very well. However the sheet metal is very then, and flexable. When its new its resiliant, but over time it stretches, warps, and cracks. Seen it happen before. However it will take time. The bar of course ties everything together and strengthes the mounts.
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July 15, 2008, 09:46:05 PM »
I wonder if installing a strut bar would help with the noise some xB's are experiencing from the "A" pillar? Scion's fix is just to dimple a couple of welds to stop the noise.
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July 16, 2008, 12:16:01 PM »
Strut bars... is that where Mummers go for drinks?
Sorry, couldn't resist .
I thought they made the ride stiffer.. is that desirable? How much would front and back stiffen up a ride? would it make it uncomfortable at all?
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I don't really think it stiffens the "ride" more so the handling. I have the TRD front strut and rear sway bars and it really seems to hug the corners better. We're hoping to get it out to the track to see how it handles the road course now with the strut/sway bars.
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A strut bar isn't going to stiffen a ride as far as bumps and such. It will stiffen up the handling as far as making turns. A rear sway bar could make the ride a bit stiffer in the rear as it dampens the up and down movment of the rear axle.
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July 28, 2008, 06:32:01 PM »
for what i heard they are only 5% functional 95% show so better buy the sway bars and you will feel the difference
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July 28, 2008, 07:10:44 PM »
I ask as on SOME cars they are redundant and pointless, from a function stand point.
On OTHERS they are a WELL use of $$$, materials, and weight, for total functional useage.
Also, some BARS are pointless, as they are structurally weaker than what they are supposed to be bracing. So, a long straw (PVC. . .) is about as functional, regardless if a real brace would do something or not on a particular vehicle type.
I was asking about xBs, specifically and directly.
It sounds like it makes SOME difference, but less than other suspension mods. So, I'll put it on the "long-term" list and get other stuff first.
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I'v installed both the upper front and rear. I notice a major improvement when hitting the winding roads. Hugs a lot better and reduced the roll. I'm considering putting on the lower front also. Bottom line, I'm glad I installed them and have no regrets.
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I am running the Hotchkis sways and that made the biggest difference in the handling. I think that the upper strut bar in the front will help some. Now is it a must, probably not. But it will do a little. So when you tie it all together, heck yeah it will help. I am going to do one. But have to powder coat it before it would ever make it on the xB. So I have been doing other things first and will get to that one at some point.
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I have them on the nugget, first thing we did. I don't race, nor drive fast,(family says I drive like a grandma), in reality I am, but not., but when you are on windy roads it hugs a lot better. Don't feel like you are fixing to loose it. Even just for every day driving turning makes a lot of difference, don't feel like I have to turn when the car turns just to keep it going in the turn.
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Now that I got some of the looks things out of the way I think I am gonna drop some cash on these. I been wanting to upgrade the handling. Originally it was the first thing I was going to do then got carried away with other stuff. However now that I have had plenty of time to test the limits of the xB with stock suspension I can't wait to see what these will do.
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Sorry for the newbie question...
What is the difference between STRUT BAR and SWAY BAR?
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Quote from: wangster on September 13, 2008, 07:46:56 PM
Sorry for the newbie question...
What is the difference between STRUT BAR and SWAY BAR?
Ok the front suspensions on most new cars are made of struts. Struts are a shock, spring, control arm combo. They are bolted into "towers" on the body of the car. A strut bar bolts to the two struts to cut down on flex to help stability and control.
Sway bars are bascially springs. They bolt to the control arms on the front and the rear axle beam on the rear. The help control body roll or sway. The strenght of the bar is based on its size in diameter. The larger the diameter the more it counter acts sway.
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So I just want to be clear...
Please comment with yes/no.
1. Sway bars go underneath the body and strut bars go in the engine bay.
2. We have a rear sway bar already but Hotchkis one would improve the performance.
3. In addition, we can get a front sway bar and front strut bar (both of them or only one of the two?)
4. To summarize, if I wanted to go all the way to prevent and body rolls, I can get the Hotchkis Sport Sway Bar Package (front and rear set) and TRD Front Strut Tower Brace on top of the Hotchkis, right?
Thanks for your answers/comments.
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